Comments on: Ben Franklin’s Weak Motor and Other Forgotten Locomotion https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/ Fresh hacks every day Fri, 06 Oct 2017 13:44:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Dax https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/#comment-4100359 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 13:44:32 +0000 http://hackaday.com/?p=274948#comment-4100359 In reply to AMS.

The thing is, in practical applications like electric cars, torque density isn’t the foremost concern.

Torque is linearily proportional to the current, while the ohmic losses are proportional to the square of current, so halving the torque and doubling the speed of the motor reduces the ohmic losses by 75%. Likewise, halving the speed and doubling the torque increases losses by 300%.

The amount of copper and magnetic materials are also reduced when the motor is built to run faster, so it becomes smaller and lighter – if the speed of the motor isn’t constrained, then the power density of the motor becomes inversely proportional with its torque density – and power can always be transformed into torque via gears.

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By: Tore Lund https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/#comment-4095612 Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:33:00 +0000 http://hackaday.com/?p=274948#comment-4095612 The Oxford electric bell have run for 177 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_jlZWbo33M which in this definition is a linear electrostatic motor.

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By: Goose Andeluse https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/#comment-4094710 Wed, 04 Oct 2017 18:46:52 +0000 http://hackaday.com/?p=274948#comment-4094710 Clearly, I have not made enough!
I feel pretty cheated though, that in an entire class on electromagnetic machinery I was not once introduced to these historical marvels.

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By: Nathan Allen https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/#comment-4094549 Wed, 04 Oct 2017 17:16:53 +0000 http://hackaday.com/?p=274948#comment-4094549 In reply to Steven Dufresne.

F=ma is ok, but with all the trendy electronic health/wellness stuff people seem to be more interested in W=mg. :)

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By: Steven Dufresne https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/#comment-4092789 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:52:16 +0000 http://hackaday.com/?p=274948#comment-4092789 In reply to Ostracus.

Yup, there’s a third one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion Possibly you’re forgetting number two, F=ma. Not as fun as one and three. I think of it sometimes when walking across an intersection and I suspect the stopped car (massive object) is about to accelerate. In that case, even at a low acceleration F can at least roll you onto the windshield.

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By: Ostracus https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/#comment-4092710 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:54:29 +0000 http://hackaday.com/?p=274948#comment-4092710 In reply to Steven Dufresne.

“To produce more torque and transition to a competitive position, an electrostatic machine must possess a large rotor-stator surface area immersed in a dielectric medium to store electric charge under high potential. Our group uses dielectric liquids, 3D printed structures with high surface area, and medium voltage power electronics to develop high torque electrostatic machines for low speed direct drive applications.”

Ladies and gentlemen. Start your 3D printers!

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By: Ostracus https://hackaday.com/2017/10/03/ben-franklins-weak-motor-and-other-forgotten-locomotion/#comment-4092702 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:49:22 +0000 http://hackaday.com/?p=274948#comment-4092702 “You’ve of course heard of Newton’s third law which basically states that for every action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction. ”

Wait! Wait! What? There’s a third one? :-D

Seriously there’s one obvious thing about electrostatic motors especially relevant for their time. Ease of design and construction.

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